SPEAKER_01 0:05

Alrighty everyone, take nine hundred and ninety-nine. We are back with the honest cut. And tonight we are going to talk about GLP1 medications. And particularly, is taking a GLP1 medication cheating? Um, we're we're gonna talk a lot about medic a lot about the medications themselves, how they work, and a few other things uh along the way, but let's start with that question, and and I'll just pass that over to you, Scott. Are GLP1 medications cheating?

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Oh man, love this question, and I swear it's like every other TikTok and reel that comes across my feed is some dude talking about this. So I'm gonna answer your question with a question. How about that? Deal, Jason. Is using a telephone cheating? Is driving a car cheating is using the internet cheating? Is having anesthesia when you're getting an amputation cheating? You see where I'm going with this? Yes, yes, I do, dude. Every technology that's ever come forth in the history of humanity has has has answered asked this question and tried to answer this question. And so I I love it and I and I laugh at it, honestly, because why not use something that is going to elevate your health, get you out of serious, chronic, life-threatening conditions, and save your life and and give you the kind of life you want to live if you can do it safe. And I think that's actually the better question. Is it safe? Not is it cheating. Great point.

SPEAKER_01 2:03

Point proven there with that. I I think that you know, with answering the question that way, I think it opens a door for people to understand just like anything else in life, there are going to be new developments, new technology, and and all those things, and you can get on board, use it, and it may enhance your life, or don't and be well behind the times, right? I think so. So let's talk about what a GLP1 actually is. And and we can start with just the overarching family of GLP1 medication, what it is, and then we'll get into to how it works and and more of the intricacies of the medication.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

So GLP1 stands for glucagon-like peptide. And so it's a it's a natural, naturally occurring hormone in your body that does a couple things. One, it it just slams the brakes on hunger, it suppresses your appetite. It's a hormone that sends a signal from your brain to your stomach that you're full much faster than normal. So that's the first thing it does. Second thing it does is it slows down gastric emptying or just your digestion slows down. So you're not, you know, you're not going to the bathroom as much, basically. But we'll talk about a side effect that you might be going more than off. And then it stabilizes blood sugar. The GLP1s help your body maintain your insulin much better. And so that's that's the interesting point is originally GLP1 was marketed by the big uh pharmaceutical companies as a diabetes medication. So that that's who was taking it to basically help, you know, manage their their blood sugar. What they found was when these these patients were taking it, there was an incredibly interesting side effect of weight loss because of what I just said. It was suppressing their appetite, it was slowing down their their uh digestion. And so they realized very quickly they were onto something, began to do the research for it as a weight loss medication, and now it's gone crazy, right? Yeah. And so so that that's how they work. Typically they come in the form of an injection. If you're taking it from one of the pharmaceutical manufacturers and you're you're taking a branded medication, like Ozempic, like Monjaro, like Zepp bound, like Wagovi, it'll be a it'll be a once-weekly injection through a pen that basically has the medication loaded and the dosing loaded, and you simply do a subcutaneous injection, usually in the stomach by the belly button. That's how it's taken. If you're taking the compounded semaglutide or trosepitite, and we'll talk about what those are in a minute, it's in a kind of a classic insulin syringe. So you're you're loading the syringe from a vial and and you're taking it that way. But same kind of thing. There are some coming out soon that you can take even less frequently that are just as effective or even more effective. And so we'll talk about some of those, but that's typically how it works. That's typically how you how you take it. There are some oral versions now of the medications that are coming out. The the oral versions are a little less effective just because they metabolize as as you're you know, as you're eating them, whereas the other ones go straight into the bloodstream.

SPEAKER_01 5:21

As far as how it works, we've got a few, you know, you've got your GLP1 family, but then you've got your your semiglutide products, you've got your trzezepatide products, you've got retitrutide and lyriglutide and anything else. What are the main differences in these medications? Is there some that are better than others? And and what would you, I mean, in your experience, what have you used, not use, what would you recommend, not recommend?

SPEAKER_00 5:51

There's really two major classes of of GLP1 that are that are the most popular, most wide, widely used. The first is semaglutide. Semaglutide is primarily focused on GLP1. And so that that is Ozempic. So Ozempic is Novo Nordisc's GLP1, uh, that's FDA approved for diabetes patients. But because of the shortages and because of some of the challenges with the medication, and because it is uh obviously a weight loss medication, they are now marketing another semaglutide, um, which is essentially exactly the same thing as as Ozempic, but it's called Wigovi. And Wigovi is is uh is FDA approved and branded for weight loss. On the Eli Lily side, they produced a drug by the name of trzepatite. Trusepatide affects two hormones, and so it's GLP1, but it's also something called GIP. And so trusepatide's brand names are Monjaro, that is Eli Lilies, branded and marketed GLP1 and GIP for diabetes, but they also have their own weight loss version of trusepatide, which is called Zeppbound, which probably at this point is the most popular GLP1 for weight loss. And I'll tell you why. It it seems to be a little bit more effective for weight loss, meaning it's suppressing your appetite a little bit more. But we're finding that it's the side effects aren't quite as severe. You'll probably ask me about side effects later, but I'll just say very quickly, it's a little less of kind of the so I would say here's the difference between the two medications. And I've taken both. So I started when I started my weight loss journey with semaglutide. That was the one that was available to me, and I tried it. I would say my experience with semaglutide was I got really full fast. So think about the feeling you get after Thanksgiving dinner. That's what I'd feel when I basically ate anything with semaglutide, but it was a very uncomfortably full feeling, and also I would say quite a bit of constipation. I felt with that. So not fun, but I did lose weight. The reason why a lot of people they're gravitating to the trusepatides is it's less of like an uncomfortably full feeling, and it's more of a I just don't feel like eating, or just like a like a little bit of nausea, just enough to like make you not see ice cream or whatever and have it feel appetizing. You just don't feel like it. So, like which feeling would you rather feel? You know what I'm saying? And so a lot of people are gravitating to trzepitide, and and I would say what I what I've the studies I've seen is like 18 to 22, 25 percent body weight lost on trzepatide. Wow. Whereas the semaglutide studies were closer to like like 12 to 15 percent body weight. You mentioned retrutide, that's Eli Lilly's next version of their trusepatide, and a lot of people are taking it with like you know, research labs are making it available to them. So people are taking it even though they probably shouldn't be. I don't think it's it's not FDA approved for anything yet. But we're finding that it's even more effective for weight loss, and you may even have to take it even less frequently. But but other other pharmaceutical companies are coming out with their own versions of these, by the way. I think we're in the very early stages of all of these medications, which is crazy. That's what I would say about kind of the two classes, the two families of the medications right now.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

As we're we're talking about the medications and and you've had experiences on both of them, we've talked about how they work and and what they're doing in your body, but let's talk a little bit about why they promote weight loss or why does that terzeptide that you talked about with the two hormones, the GLP and the GIP, why does that one promote weight loss maybe a little better than the semaglutide does?

SPEAKER_00 9:58

I don't know exactly why, but what we understand is something about the dual hormone action between the GIP and the GLP1 is doing something different than the GLP1 by itself, is how I understand it. And I just think like it's more sustainable. People are okay, like I was saying earlier, people are just better off feeling like they don't want to eat something rather than always feeling like their buttons are gonna pop off their pants because they're so full. Like, I think it's easier, more sustainable, and people are having a better experience with it in general. Yeah, and so so they they gravitate to it and they're just having more success. That's my opinion. After taking semaglutide for like six months, I was like, dude, I cannot freaking take this drug any longer. I just I hate feeling like this all the time. Yeah, I still feel that way on transapatite. I feel pretty normal. It's pretty awesome to feel like pretty normal and like go about your day-to-day life and and lose 60 pounds, and so it's pretty powerful.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

From what you know I've experienced, but also what I've heard, they they call that food noise. Yeah, that that GLP GIP interaction, yeah, and that that turzepatite. Not necessarily is it a stronger medication, but because it has that dual action interaction with your body, you just don't have that food noise. Right. So you don't have food on your mind all the time because you just don't feel like eating. We've broken down as as the medications as far as how they work and and you know those parts. But let's talk a little bit about those side effects you mentioned earlier. We we've talked about the pretty, you can lose weight. We know that. We know that diabetes patients have seen great results in lowering that hemoglobin A1C. But what are some common side effects of these medications?

SPEAKER_00 11:53

Mentioned a couple earlier, but mostly gas gastrointestinal related. So constipation, diarrhea, that kind of thing, and maybe just like some indigestion in general, just like feeling uncomfortable. And I would say like you can counteract those pretty well with like a magnesium supplement for the constipation, getting fiber in your diet for that, and then just making sure that you have you have good macronutrients. Like, just like not taking GLP1, if you just sit and eat candy all day, like you're gonna feel pretty sick. So you gotta you gotta kind of like calibrate and fine-tune your your your diet. And I think as you do that, getting used to like a different kind of digestion, you can kind of counteract that. But other other side effects that I've that I've heard of, and again, I am I am not a clinician, I am not a doctor, so I'm not giving you medical advice here, by the way. Um, it's just what I've experienced. You you can do your own research, but I think most of this is consistent with what you'll you'll read. But you know, rapid weight loss, people sometimes get lose hair, lose their hair. So, you know, here we go. Um we'll talk we'll talk more about this journey uh another time. But yeah, you you you do lose hair. That is not necessarily, by the way, attributed to the GLP one. It's it's just because you're losing weight fast. You if you lose weight fast ever, you have that issue. Some people will feel like some flu-like symptoms, um, especially when they've taken it for the very first time. So just like body aches, chills, um, sometimes you get a little drowsy, a little tired, lethargic. Um, I did experience some of that, I would say, the the first time I took it. I I haven't for a long time. It's not recommended for people that have um maybe some mental health conditions um that are some serious mental health conditions like feeling suicidal and some of those things. It could contribute to some of that. And so that's a question we actually ask in our intake because because we we will not uh prescribe it to somebody that's going through some of those things. So it's very serious, and you have to be very careful. In the studies, there were issues sometimes in animal studies, I'll just be clear about that, with uh with pancreatitis or or pancreatic cancer potentially causing it. And so if you've had any of those conditions, it cannot be prescribed um by a clinician. And so, so yeah, there are there are some things you have to be very careful with when you're taking the medication. But honestly, Jason, for the most part, which is really encouraging, there aren't many serious side effects, and people are having a lot of great success with the medication.

SPEAKER_01 14:31

I I think that's important to you know talk about with side effects. It's it's like when you're watching anything on TV and you got the dancing people, and it's like you might die. The pharma company take this medication, take this medication, you know.

SPEAKER_00 14:45

Which I think uh I love the Ozempic one actually. And I don't know if it oh oh oh Ozempic. Either that's like a TikTok or reel, or like someone actually did that on a commercial.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

I'm pretty sure that was a real one. I I saw it uh I saw it on a Sunday uh football commercial. Yeah, it's a good one. So yeah, that's a that's a good time. We've talked about the medications, but let's dive into more of who it's for. The who should take this medication. We'll get into who shouldn't after that, but let's first start with who should take the medication, and and maybe let's go through all of the people and in all of the cases where this would be beneficial for someone.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

So obviously, type 2 diabetes patients, it's regulating blood sugar so the pancreas doesn't have to work as hard. Many diabetics have been able to reduce or eliminate other medications by taking GLP1. So it's super effective for them. Uh let's not forget the diabetics, right? Obviously, obesity. So if if you if you need to loot if you need to lose like 15 to 20 percent of your body weight to be to get out of like that 30 plus BMI range, it's absolutely for them. So definitely diabetes patients, definitely like severe obesity symptoms. However, what we're finding is that it has a major impact on other chronic conditions. And so I'll run through a couple of those, which I think are pretty fascinating. So inflammation in general, it it brings down inflammation in anybody, which is pretty awesome if that's something that you struggle with. Um, I have in the past. But but let's just talk about some of these chronic conditions, heart disease, right? If you have heart disease and and you can get your weight to a healthy range, it will sometimes reverse the impact of of that on on your life, which is awesome. Sleep apnea. We've seen people that have gotten their weight to a healthy range that they they don't have to take them, you know, they don't like using the CPAC machine anymore, which is amazing. Yeah, fatty liver disease. So there's there's people that have this buildup of fat around their liver that's very dangerous. When you bring your weight down, um, it it it reverses or goes away. Kidney disease. Here's another interesting one addictions and compulsive behaviors. So um, what we're finding, and the research is early, but people have reported reduced cravings in alcohol, nicotine, even gambling, even porn. Isn't that crazy? The porn one is kind of funny. And this is another like hater on on social media that was saying, like, you know, you lose your desire for for intimacy. I haven't experienced that. Um full disclosure. Still super strong. I also take testosterone, so maybe that's yeah, I don't know. Um, but but yeah, isn't that crazy? Um, and I have definitely experienced um reduced cravings in sugar and fat. We're a family that that we're like a roast on Sunday family, and it it was kind of sad the other day. Like I got my rump roast or whatever it was, but uh this fatty roast and slapped it on my plate and just getting all excited, took a couple bites of that fat, and I'm like a fat guy. Like I love meat, I love the fat on meat, you know. Good ribeye, baby. Amen. Amen to that. Um, I can't eat as much as that stuff, man, which is a little challenging because I'm kind of a carnivore guy.

SPEAKER_01 18:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:27

And and it it is a little difficult to eat fat. But that can be a very healthy thing, right? Um, and so so yeah, it it's it really does do a lot more than just help with diabetes and help with obesity, helps a lot with a lot of things.

SPEAKER_01 18:44

I think that that's uh an extremely important part and and point to this medication. These medications are are marketed as a hot mom, hot summer, you know, hot girl summer type drug. And I I think it's important to just point out that there are insane amounts of benefits of of these medications, everything from addiction to obesity to fatty liver to you know, type two diabetes, like a lot of issues that we see on a day-to-day basis in healthcare in the developing world, as as you stated before, these medications are helping with that, yeah, you know, and and so if if technology is saying that they're safe and effective, why not use them? Thank you for for sharing all of those statistics with us and and those people. I I think another just important part while we're talking about who it is for is who is it not for? While we're talking about who it's not for, let's talk a little bit about some of those haters, you know. Let's let's talk a little bit about why they say it's not for certain people.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

So the haters are saying basically it's not for anybody but diabetes patients, right? Like, hey man, just get the willpower going, bro. Like, put the fork down, yeah. Like, and so I've seen a lot of that, and and and yes, like I am all about hard work and you know pull yourself up by your bootstraps and like get in the gym and and yeah, put your fork down. Like, yes, I I am absolutely that guy. However, there is genetic predisposition to obesity, and that's a proven fact. Yeah, and and you could have two people, you know, same socioeconomic background, same family, and and and eat the same diet, and could have completely different health indicators in those two people. I had a good friend in in college that I'd work out with all the time, and we were doing the same stuff, eating the same stuff and and everything, and homie was ripped, and I was a tub alard. No, I was I wasn't a tub alard, but I was but I I just couldn't get where he was the same way, right? Right. I had to really reduce my I really had to have a major calorie deficit to to to look that way and feel that way. And so what is that, man? There's genetics involved in this. Like, I'm sorry there is. I also build muscle a lot easier than than he did. Um, and and that's a that's a positive genetic thing. But a lot of times you see that that combination of they can build muscle real easy, but they can also gain fat real easy. Yep. So so yeah, to answer your question, I think what that what we're finding is that absolutely who is it for? It's for the diabetes patients for sure. Um, it's for those in the the high obesity range, but it's also for people that have maybe a Predisposition to obesity that need a microdose. I'm going to use that term a lot in this conversation in the future, but meaning a lower than kind of recommended dose to help take the edge off of that appetite and having that suppression in there just a little bit. Or people that that have taken the medication, have taken regular dosing, that have lost the weight, gotten to a healthy body weight, and to maintain may need to take a little bit for the rest of their life. I think that's my answer. And I think you're going to see science and and and clinicians get behind that philosophy. I think we're seeing it happen now. I think it's going to become more pervasive.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

I mean, I I would also agree with that. And I think, you know, on this topic of who it's not for, it would be the opposite of all of those things, right? Like the people that have never struggled with weight ever, you know, they're at a healthy BMI. Those are also, not to mention, most of the haters of GLP1 medications are those people. But, you know, some of those other comorbidities, maybe that you talked about, like, you know, a history of medullary thyroid cancer, that you shouldn't take the medication if you have that. Uh, pancreatitis shouldn't take it if you have that. Sure. There was also an interesting point you made earlier. Type 2 diabetes. Can a type 1 diabetic also take this medication? Yeah, they can take it.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

Now they're gonna have to manage their insulin pretty closely. And so it it's just a little bit more complicated for them. But absolutely, uh, type 1 diabetes patients can also benefit from GLP1.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

Scott, I I know that uh you get riled up sometimes when we talk about the haters. Um, but let's let's kind of break down here just some myths of GLP1 medications. And I I'm gonna not rapid fire these two yet, but I'm gonna tell them and then you say however you feel about it. Bring it. Bring it. The first one, stop stealing my medication. I'm a diabetic.

SPEAKER_00 24:09

Yeah, stealing from the diabetics. There was some validity to that actually. Um, so early on, the med in the with these medications, there was not like an FDA-approved version for weight loss. So people that were taking actual Lozempic for type 2 diabetes were also the same ones taking it for weight loss. People that were taking Manjaro for diabetes were also taking it for weight loss. And so there was a there was an actual shortage. And so there was some validity to that. However, compounding pharmacies were helping to alleviate that um shortage, and so they were making these medications available outside of like regular supply from the manufacturers. So compounding pharmacies, which are basically designed to make custom dosing of medications, were doing that and are still doing that for these medications. There's been a crackdown on that from the FDA, we can go into that later, but there was a shortage. Now there is a weight loss version of the semaglutide, which is Wagovi, and then there's a weight loss version of trzepatide, which is Zet Bound. And so there really isn't this shortage anymore. And and and here's the thing, man. Um, here's here's the here's what I get fired up about with that topic. We just talked about all of the benefits of this medication for people that aren't diabetics. I think there's probably more of those people that for very serious health reasons need to take these medications too. Yeah. And so don't hate on all of the benefits that people are receiving outside of just type 2 diabetes for these medications. They need it too. They're getting healthy too, which I think is wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

I could not agree more uh with that statement there. Um, number two is I can't build muscle on a GLP1 medication. Oh, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 26:08

Come into my gym. Step in a way out. Flip the cameras around and let's look at the gym. Everything that I've experienced on these medications has has debunked that. So, and here's the thing it's a pretty straightforward calculation for for maintaining muscle mass. You have to lift heavy, you have to progressively overload, um, to break down your muscle fibers, and then you have to feed those muscles protein, right? Yeah, it's pretty basic. As long as you're doing that, whether you're on GLP1 or not, you're going to maintain and build muscle. You're not going to maintain and build muscle if you're eating too little in terms of calories, and especially eating too little in terms of protein. And so you just have to manage your dosing appropriately so that you can still eat enough food and enough protein and get into the gym to do what I said earlier to maintain muscle mass. These studies and this critique is really for the people that aren't doing any of that stuff. Right. It's the people that are like thinking that GLP1 is some magical drug that you don't have to do anything and you're just gonna lose weight. Well, yeah, that will happen, but you're gonna you're gonna live the stereotype, you're gonna have Ozempic face, Ozempic butt, Ozempic whatever, um, because you haven't focused and maintained um that muscle mass. And so, so yeah, that that's that's what I would say about that.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

I think to that point, both your experience and also my experience is just because you're eating less doesn't necessarily mean you're not eating enough, right? Yeah, and you can absolutely build muscle while taking a GLP1 medication and still be able to lose weight at the same time. I would say that is a a science-backed fact on these medications, is you can do all three things at the same time. I guess I can see why the gym bros are getting a little butthurt about this because other people are starting to look like them.

SPEAKER_00 28:14

Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, it is what it is, and and yeah, like it is easier. It is easier to get shredded on GLP one, but isn't that kind of awesome? Yeah, like that's cool. Yeah, maybe there will come a time when I don't take it anymore, and we'll talk about that later. But it's been really encouraging and really exciting to see the transformation in my body and using this as a tool to get there. And I and I and I'm not the only one that can say that. I mean, you can say that, and I know that there's thousands of other people that have taken it the right way, and and they've gotten into good health and and they're thriving. If that's what you're using it for, more power to you, man. Yeah, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 28:55

One last thing I I want to say to that point, which may be a little controversial, but I saw this reel uh yesterday where this lady was talking and and she was saying that she was saying, Isn't it awesome that these GLP1 medications have really showed us that people really actually do care about their health, right? Um, I I think it paints the medication in in more of what it's intended for, right? It's a tool, it's a tool that can help you look better, feel better, lose weight. And for some people, it's there's a lot of like you mentioned earlier, a lot of genetic or or hormonal imbalance that makes it very difficult to lose weight. They get on this medication and all of a sudden they can lose weight. As we think about these medications, we shouldn't be so fast to judge people that are on them because there are so many people benefiting from them that otherwise wouldn't have that same benefit.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

Life changing, man. Life-changing, and and it just not like you know, aesthetic aside, and and and all that, just someone that all that list of chronic conditions I mentioned, like how amazing is it? Like, some women can all of a sudden get pregnant because of a GLP one, right? Right. Some people that have watched their mom and their dad and their uncle and their brother and their sister die early because of whatever chronic condition, they're outliving them. And they're they're they're they're able to support their family and their children, and like I don't care who you are, that's awesome. Like, that is game-changing, that is life-changing, and I support that 100%. So, yeah, those are the things that it's like, why why why wouldn't you support that?

SPEAKER_01 30:50

Yeah, why in the world would you hate on somebody seeing all of those benefits and and results? Why would you drive a car instead of riding a bike? I personally prefer the bike, but let's hop into the third myth here. And and this one, yeah, there's some validity behind it, but I want to take your thoughts and run with them here. When I take a GLP1 medication, I'll be successful, but when I get off, I'm gonna gain all of my weight back. What do you say to that?

SPEAKER_00 31:19

You're right. In certain circumstances, you're right. Being a part of Believe and having, you know, several thousand patients go through this and having gone through it myself, I think I have a certain level of authority to speak to this topic. Yes, the first time I took it, I didn't have a lot of experience with this, didn't have a lot of education with it, and I did go cold turkey. I lost about 60 pounds. And and anybody that talked to me during that time, I would have told them, I have never been hungrier in my life than when I came off GLP1. Yeah. And what I realized looking back now, it wasn't that I was never that hungry in my life. It's just I had forgotten how hunger actually felt in normal circumstances. So because I didn't titrate down or slowly phase off of the medication, I was in dangerous territory of gaining it all back. And that is what happens is people aren't responsible and deliberate about coming off of it. And so they do, they and they do gain it back. And it's really hard because you know, it's expensive medication for most people that aren't getting it covered by insurance. And so they're like, man, I can't, I can't pay for this forever. Yeah, I gotta come off of it. And so that's a really difficult situation to be in for a lot of people to try to figure this out. But here's what I would say if you don't want that to happen, I would say do a couple things. Number one, carefully titrate down. So let's just say you you you got to your goal weight and you were at about 10 milligram of trzepatite. The next week I'd go to 7.5. And I'd maybe do that for a month if you can afford it. That's a difficult thing to do. But then go to five milligram, then go to 2.5 milligram, maybe then go to less less frequent injections, go every two weeks, go every three weeks, go every month. That's been my experience this go-around with the medication. Yeah, I've slowly titrated off. In fact, I slowly titrated up, very slowly, and then I slowly titrated down to where I'm taking about 7.5 milligram every month-ish, um, right now. Sometimes every two weeks kind of depends on feel. I'm fortunately in a situation in my life that where I can do that financially, but I understand not everybody can. And and you have to be sensitive to that. So, yeah, if you really and here's the other thing I'll say, Jason. One of the greatest things you can do while you're taking GLP1 medication is readjust your lifestyle habits. So if you were a binger at night and your macronutrients were like way skewed toward carbohydrates and fat and sugar, maybe use this as an opportunity to get that right. Try to get the hundred grams of protein a day, try to get like maybe closer to 30 or so grams of carbohydrates, you know, whatever it is for fat. And get used to that. Yeah. So that when you are coming off of it, you're used to that kind of like diet routine. Um, get used to working out regularly while you're taking the medication. And the other thing, and you've told me this actually, I'd like your take on this. You always say, Well, I love how I look now, and that's enough motivation for me to feel a little bit of hunger and be okay with it. And and I think a lot of people feel that way. Like, I'm not, I am in the 10% body fat range, I am doing Spartans. I did run a marathon, I'm not doing anything to go back. I love living this way. That's pretty powerful, too, don't you think?

SPEAKER_01 35:03

Yeah, totally. I mean, a little tangent here, but the let's talk about a Spartan, you know, you're in exquisite shape trying to do this Spartan. Neither of us had very much training. In fact, I signed up the week of the Spartan. Um, and at that point, I was about 190 pounds. Yeah, I was still working out, like I was strong, but no cardiovascular any, you know, endurance whatsoever. You finished at 45 years old, and me at 25 with a boatload of pride, could not, yeah, couldn't couldn't finish it. Yeah, I I I could not finish that, Spartan. And so I I think that to your to your point, great habits that can that you can sustain with GLP1 medication and without are so important to being able to minimize the amount of weight that you gain back. I I also think that to that point, it it's you actually sent me this, but there's a oh man, I can't remember the guy's name. It's not Atia, but somebody like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Longevity. They yeah, some some but some longevity expert um talked about the the phases of of building muscle, right? You've got your yes, you've got your you know, your overload to put on muscle, then you've got your cut, yes, then you've got your maintain, and it's kind of just this cycle of over and over and over and over again. And and I think that GLP1 medication enhances that. Yeah, it makes it easier. And if the technology exists, why not use it?

SPEAKER_00 36:48

That's what I'm saying, bro. That's what I'm saying. If you're if you're responsible with this, it can be it can be the greatest gift science has given us. That that that's how I feel. And and I'll take that to my grave. Yeah, like just be responsible, be smart with the way that you take it, and your wildest dreams can come true in your life, and uh but you can also be you can also be stupid about it and and just naive about it, and and yeah, like you'll experience like you know, periods of time where you're super skinny, but are you really healthy? Right. Are you really happier because of that? Yeah, so so my opinion, and I hope what happens just in the in society, and and I hope the medical community promotes all the other things that are necessary along with GLP1 to get you to a healthy place in life.

SPEAKER_01 37:47

I could not agree more to two of those points. Um, I I do have a few other talking points here that I I want to go through as as we're talking about these myths and and as we've broken down the medication. What does sustainable life look like on a GLP1 medication? And then as you're working your way off, what does sustainable life look like afterwards to minimize the the amount of weight you would gain back?

SPEAKER_00 38:17

Well, I just think it depends on what your goals are. So I'm an athlete, I've been an athlete my entire life, and so I I like to do certain things in my life that require a high level of physical fitness, and I can't do a lot of those things being obese. I want to come up down the lane with the ball with Jason guarding me, and I want to cross him up, it's never gonna happen, but I want to dunk, I want to cross him up, and then I want to just dunk him okay. White boy here. Like, I want to be able to do that kind of stuff, right? And so, what is sustainability for me? It I have to do all the stuff that an athlete has to do to maintain that stuff. I gotta get in the gym, I gotta, I gotta work on my my my quads and my hamstrings and my calves, you know, I gotta I gotta be strong, I gotta, I gotta work on all of the the twitch muscles. Um, I I wanna jump higher, um, all that kind of stuff. Like I I I you know, if you're a marathon runner, I trained for a marathon, and and there were some I had some injuries that didn't allow me to finish that, but but I was still taking GLP1 at while I was doing like long runs and all that stuff. Like, like you can do that. You you still have to like maintain your nutrition and you still have to do all the other things, but but you can. So, what does it look like? Um, I think it looks just like it looks for anybody that is trying to be healthy anyway, with with a calorie reduction. Right. And so that is gonna be the thing you're gonna have to grapple with if you're an athlete, is you're gonna you're gonna have a little less energy when you when you're in the gym, just because you're in a calorie deficit. But you're gonna have to but you're gonna have to still do the same things that you were doing before. But I think anybody that is living a healthy life, maybe they're not an extreme athlete, but they're still gonna have to work on macronutrients and and maintaining protein and and and and working on muscles and cardiovascular health, maintaining a high VO2 max and all those things, like all those things are still important, right? Um, so I think that's my answer to that question is like stop separating GLP1 protocol with just like good health protocol. Yeah, they're the same. You gotta bring them together. Yeah, that is the only way this is gonna be successful long term for people.

SPEAKER_01 40:41

I agree with that, and I I hoped you would say that, you know. Uh I I think that using the GLP1 medication as a tool to say, hey, you know, maybe, you know, for both of us, we we started in that 30 plus BMI range, right? So we had some lifestyle habits that we had to fix, portion control. That's I mean, for me, that was the big one. Portion control, not eating because I'm bored or you know, whatever else is going on. And then eating proper foods, right? If if you're gonna lift heavy, you definitely need the protein, you definitely need the water, you definitely need all those things. But I I think that if you can use the GLP1 medication and dial in all of the healthy lifestyle stuff you should be doing anyway, it can be as complicated as you want it to be. I I don't think we need to you know reinvent the wheel here. Move your body, eat well, yeah. And if you can afford to do a GLP1 medication and and use it as a tool, great, even better. You'll you'll see results faster, you know. But I I think that's the beauty of of what we're doing here is that it's not rocket science, it's all of the things any nutritionist will tell you to do from the beginning. Eat good, move your body, you know. So I I think that it's it doesn't have to be rocket science, and I I think that's the beauty of what we're doing here.

SPEAKER_00 42:05

Yeah, j just don't up the only thing you I I would say to anybody thinking about this, and and I think we've like you know, we're we're beating a dead horse here, but it alone is not gonna solve your problems. And and and like uh that's my warning to you. Don't just think you're gonna take GLP1 and think that you're gonna go do a Spartan race or a marathon the next day, or you're gonna like have six-pack abs on the beach. That requires a whole lot of other things, right? Right? So, so just just use it as a tool. Use it as a tool um uh with other tools, and I think you're gonna have a really great experience with it.

SPEAKER_01 42:51

The last point I wanted to talk about here is is what we kind of ended with on episode one. You know, there is hope of a better world, right? We read that in the scriptures, but there's hope of a better world for you. Um, and and I think that as we're talking the jets, they're back. Zach Wilson flying above us. I have no idea. You have no idea how long we've been sitting in this room. I feel like we've talked about these conversations a few times. We beat a dead horse because we have. Yes. I just want to uh just reiterate what we reiterated there um and and talk about it again. You don't have to stay where you're at right now. Yeah, you can choose uh to be better, you can choose to lose the weight, you can choose to use the resources available to you to become something. Better. And to the question at the beginning, are they cheating? Are GLP1 medications cheating? No. GLP1 medications are absolutely not cheating. Yes, you need to be responsible. Yes, there is a right way to do it. Yes, you need to follow the clinical guidelines of whoever is prescribing it to you, but there's better days ahead. Do the things you know you should do. Use the medication as the tool it's intended to be, and see what happens. You also don't need six-pack abs. I know you and I like ours, and we want to keep them, sure. But you don't need six-pack abs to feel better, to look better, to feel more confident. And that's the beauty of what this offers. You can be so much more than you are right now.

SPEAKER_00 44:51

I love that. Um and and I agree with that wholeheartedly. I I think for me it just goes back to, you know, the kid that has struggled with weight their whole life. They have been, you know, bullied. They've they've just their self-esteem has been beaten up. They've they've they've seriously tried to get to a healthy body weight. And and maybe it's the way, maybe it's you know, it's you always talk about nature versus nurture. Maybe it's a little bit of genetics, but maybe it's the way that they were raised. But either way, it sucks for that person.

SPEAKER_01 45:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:33

And who wants someone to live their life like that? And if there is if there is a medication out there that is that is safe, that can get them to that healthy place, why not? I think what I've seen with thousands of people that have uh benefited from this medication, I think it's such a positive thing. I think you just need to be careful, you need to be smart, you need to be, you need to have some guidance. I think it can it can do whatever you want it to do for you if you do it the right way. And so I think that's my message to to anybody that's considering this. And if if we spoke in in person, that's what I would say. Just do it the right way, and you're gonna have a lot of success and you're gonna have a great experience with it. I I may, Jason, at some point stop taking it. And and that's something I will share with with our fans or with our followers, if and when I do it. I'm I'm I'm taking it pretty infrequently right now, but I may kind of try to go off of it altogether and see see what that looks like. So more to come on that, but I'll I think I'm gonna give it a try.

SPEAKER_01 46:45

I love it. I I think if anyone could do it, it would be you. So I I'm really excited to see where that goes for you. This is the beauty of of this podcast is talking about things that people don't want to talk about or they're scared to talk about, or you know, I know I was that fat kid that didn't have any self-confidence despite what I put on the outside. When you know you're not looking your best or feeling your best, it's really hard to continue to just keep going, you know, even when you know you're doing some of the things that you should be doing anyway. And and I I think that that's what I want. I I want to be able to share that with with other people, and so I'm I'm really excited for where this is going. And I appreciate everybody tuning in tonight. This has been a episode two of The Honest Cut. And finally, to give you a little more, uh, we are gonna have some guests on this on this podcast. And our for our next episode, you're you're gonna get to hear from Adam. And Adam has been through the everything we've talked about so far. He's he's done the the man pack, if you will. And I'll let I'll let him talk about all of those things. But we're really excited. We're really excited for where this is going, and and we hope we can continue to share the the light of a better world through the honest cut with all of you. Have a great night, everyone. Thanks, everybody. Talk to you later.